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From: zsenya@y...
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 1:42 pm
Subject: Introducing myself to the board
My name is Zsenya and I have been lurking here for a few days. It is
great to see a board like this - I have been searching for something
like this for a while now.
I am a big Harry Potter fan, but only started reading the books about
4 months ago. I was instantly obsessed and have read all four
numerous times. I have been reading the posts with interest and have
quite a few comments on various things that I have read. I will put
them all here although I will follow all the conventions for subject
lines in future posts…
I have to say initially however, that I have a decided feeling about
the whole series and that is that they are first and foremost
children's literature. It's not that I think that they are not
"real"
literature, what I mean is that I think no matter how dark or serious
books 5 - 7 get, JK Rowling is always writing for a certain target
audience, and that audience is not 28 years old like I am. That in
mind, although the books are amazingly intricate and complex, they
are
also in many ways (I think) quite straightforward. I also tend to be
a bit of a romantic and a Pollyanna, which is why….
The Death Pool
I cannot see her killing off Ron, Harry, or Hermione. It just isn't
done and if she does do so, I would be very surprised. Dumbledore I
predict will die in some sort of Obi Wan Kenobi way, and he is quite
old already. I do not even think that Sirius or Lupin will die
either. Peter Pettigrew might, as well as Snape. As far as the
students go, I think that Cedric was enough, although I can also
foresee that perhaps one of the other Weasley's will go (I really
like
the theory of Percy going to the dark side), or perhaps even Arthur
Weasley. I think Colin Creevey is pretty much a dead man.
Neville's Story
I think it is highly plausible that the kids of Harry's generation
don't know all the details of the past 15 years. Firstly, it seems
that a lot of things were going on behind the scenes that not
everyone
was aware of. I read an interesting article in a book about
Baltimore
(where I live) which discusses the loss of mass memory. There was
apparently a big mill worker's strike here in the 20s or 30s, yet no
one who was alive at the time claims to remember it. I have to look
it up for more information, but that is sort of how I feel the adults
have treated the past 20 years or so for their children. They know
about Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort in a sort of boogeyman way, but
they don't know all the details. Perhaps Bill and Charlie know, but
they wouldn't have found out until they were older. The one thing
that I wonder is why Hermione hasn't researched all of this. I would
think that she would have read up on it, although perhaps the
official
history books don't mention all the little details and I guess she is
busy enough as it is!
Hermione
I love Hermione. I don't consider her to be a braggart at all. I was
a "smart" child myself. More than that, I was book smart rather that
overly naturally smart, which is I think Hermione's situation as
well.
In other words, I learned early on how to please the teachers and
that I enjoyed getting good grades (since I wasn't good in other
areas, like music or sports). Hermione studies for hours and hours
and gets excellent grades, but Ron and Harry study much less and pass
reasonably well with little effort. I think that she knows that she
is bright but recognizes that the others would do just as well if
they
would study as much as she does. When you are the type of child that
pays attention in class and no one else seems to know the answers, it
is MADDENING to have to sit through that. Also, I have to wonder,
if
she was a boy would she be treated in the same manner? She also has
the usual girl issues (insecure about her bushy hair and big teeth),
and, given the way she bursts into tears at the drop of the hat, is
very, very sensitive (and obviously going through some major puberty
in Books III and IV). When I look at scenes like the problems with
the Firebolt, I don't see it so much as Hermione being a tattle-tale
as her being a practical, responsible child, who cares deeply about
her friends and will do what she thinks is right to protect them.
It's a behavior that took me well into my twenties to learn.

Ron
I love Ron as much as Hermione and will say up front that I am a
total
and complete Ron and Hermione advocate. OK, I have read several of
the posts re: Ron and his, er, behavioural issues, but as I said
above, I think that these books are pretty much straightforward and
that Ron WILL find something to excel in and he WILL do whatever is
necessary to deserve Hermione. I truly can't see him as a parallel
to
Peter Pettigrew. Sure, he got upset and jealous of Harry in GoF, but
that is completely natural. I was completely upset and stopped
talking
to my best friend in 9th grade when she got a boyfriend before I did.
14 year-olds get upset over silly things. He is Harry's truest
friend, and a good guy and, if anything, I see him facing Voldemort
together with Harry. Also, didn't (sorry, don't have PoA in front of
me) Sirius get some sort of familiar glint in his eye when Ron stood
up for Harry in the Shrieking Shack? Ron has done a number of brave
things in all of the books and has shown that he will sacrifice
himself for his friends if necessary.
Harry
Well, what can I say? These ARE the Harry Potter books after all and
he is the star. He has many faults and a good many issues to work
out. I can't comment any more than that right now, this message is
already far too long, but I look forward to contributing in the
future!
Thanks for reading, and I look forward to more wonderful theories and
discussions!
Zsenya
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 9:03 pm
Subject: Snape (Amanda's favorite character)
> Welcome, Zsenya, and I love your name, but you didn't mention Snape!
Aaagh!
> What are your thoughts on *my* favorite character (well, him and
Lupin)?
>
> --Amanda
Firstly, thanks for the compliment on the name. I will come out and
confess now that my real name is actually Jennie. However, there are
so many Jens, Jennies and Jennifers on the internet that I chose long
ago to use "Zsenya" (which is a nickname from several friends) as my
official e-mail and internet name, so there it is.
Hmmmm... I will have to go back and try to read some of the other
posts. Snape is your favorite character? May I ask why (I'm not
being judgmental - I really want to know why!) He has always puzzled
me. I mean, Dumbledore trusts him for some reason, yet he is so
obviously not entirely trustworthy. I mean, he completely tried to
get Sirius kissed by the Dementor, which is totally and utterly evil,
when he knew that there might be more to the story. So what happened
in the past to put him in the "trustworthy" category? I guess only
time (and books 5 - 7) will tell.
I like Lupin too. I think he is cuddly, despite being a Werewolf.

From: zsenya@y...
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 9:18 pm
Subject: Star Wars connection (was Re: James died first.)
Hmmm...I'll admit that I often like to see connections (although I
think Harry Potter is way cooler than Star Wars). However, if Ron
gets to be Han Solo, then we know he will be faithful because Han was
always faithful to his friends.
Has the thought of Harry and Hermione being long lost twins ever come
up on this board? I will have to go check the archives (thank you
everyone, by the way for letting me know about it)
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2000 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: Snape (Amanda's favorite character)
Thanks for the welcomes. I like your reasoning for liking
Lupin! Another reason I like Lupin is that he likes to wear his old
clothes. My boyfriend is the same way. He isn't comfortable unless
there are at least three holes in his sweater and t-shirt. Perhaps
this is an argument for Ron/Lupin pairing (have we had that one yet?).
Although I guess Ron wouldn't wear the shabby clothes if he had the
choice.
:)Zsenya
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2000 8:13 pm
Subject: Ron in Shining Armor (was Re: Pettigrew parallels)
Hi Gwen! I'm new too.
I like your comparison of the two generations. I agree that you can't
really draw exact parallels and that they are dealing with different
issues that change the way they interact with others. I tend to look
at Harry, Hermione and Ron as possibly much more mature in many ways
than their parent's generation was at their age. I know that I was
always impressed (and I know this is a broad generalization) at how
much more aware and responsible my youngest sister and her friends
were (there is a 7 year gap) than I had been at her age. I remember
them traipsing through the woods near our house at age 8 cleaning up
cans and trash and me thinking "At age 8 I was playing house in the
backyard and other silly things" So in many ways I see our trio much
better adapted to deal with strains on their friendship and I also
believe (as you point out) that Ron has done MORE than enough to show
that he is a good and faithful friend to Harry.
I have to admit, after I went back and started reading the archives
and past posts, I was soooo distressed that so many people seem to be
convinced that Ron will roam over to the other side. I have to keep
telling myself "It's only a book, it's only a book" because I just see
Ron as the most loyal friend out there. I hope I am right. The only
time he wavers is in GoF and that is just a childish spat. I think in
that instance he was more ticked off that Harry didn't include him in
what he perceived as some elaborate scheme to get his name in the
goblet, than anything else.
As to why we are convinced that all of the Marauders were in
Gryffindor... I will have to go back and read the archive to see what
others think. I personally always just sort of assumed that was the
case because everything that we learn happens from a Gryffindor point
of view and because of that, by default, I think of Gryffindor as the
coolest house. Also, I assume a) that since Gryffindors are supposed
to be brave, James Potter must have been one and b) James would most
likely be close friends with other Gryffindors. This is how things
operate in my world!
:)Zsenya
From: morine10@a...
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2000 8:26 am
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Transportation (Was: Wizard Schools and Transportation
> Portkey = Taxi. It gives the same benefit as apparation, except it
> has to be arranged beforehand, as far as I can tell.
>>As a resident of a civilised country, I would not do business with a
>>taxi that grabbed me violently by a string inside my stomach and
>>pulled or flung me through (outer/inner space) so that I landed with
>>a thud that knocked me off my feet.
I don't know. My experiences in taxi cabs haven't been much better than that
-actually I would say worse. At least a Portkey ride would be over and done
with in a few seconds.
-Mo
From: morine10@a...
Date: Sun Dec 10, 2000 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] A very British Christmas (OT)
> Later on, it's traditional to
> have a blazing row with a relative about something trivial and get
> completely rat-arsed.
And I thought this was a purely American tradition! We colonists owe so much
to the motherland! :)

-Mo
From: morine10@a...
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2000 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Wizard Genetics (long; OT and then not so OT)
> To do science you need to assume that if event A causes event B then
> event A will always cause event B. Without this assumption there
> would be no point in making experiments. Part of the magicality of
> the HP world is an inherent instability - like the chamber pots room
>
But, (and correct me if I'm wrong, please) doesn't Dumbledore in fact tell us
that the magic regarding the appearing/disappearing chamber pots room is an A
causes B event and not random. I don't know Dumbledore's exact words but it
was something to the effect of......perhaps it is only visible on Tuesdays
when the moon is full, or when the person has an exceptionally full
bladder.......It seems to me he is saying that there is an event (A) that
causes the chamber pot room to appear (B). He simply has not been able to
pinpoint A.

-Mo
((Moey's favorite line from GoF)
-"Can I have a look at Uranus too, Lavender?" - Ron Weasley, Harry Potter and
the Goblet of Fire-)
> . And yes, I want to be THE source for all this
> stuff, I admit it. :)
>
>
Steve,
So far you're MY source. (if that counts for anything) Just wanted you to
know that I really love your website!
-Mo
From: morine10@a...
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2000 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Languages (OT)
> When traveling in other countries it was stated that English speakers
> rarely know how to converse with the natives of that country. I must
> add that while I can speak French a little bit i is not the best. I
> also found, on a good piece of advice that even if you don't know
> much trying to say anything in another language will get you a lot
> farther than staring dumbly and waiting for someone else to talk in
> your tounge. Most of the time they do know some English and will be
> glad to use it if only you use your limited knowledge of their's.
Absolutely! I've always found people have a smile when I try their language
out - although they are probably just smiling because the are thinking
"ignorant American." After you sputter like a fool, they usually let you off
the hook and talk to you in near-perfect English.
If you look at it geographically, it is almost a necessity for Europeans to
learn a common language because of the close proximity countries have to one
another. The US is isolated, most states only border on other states and the
common language dates back to our start. Culturally, it was never a
necessity for us to learn another language.
> When it comes to learning other languages early in the schooling
> process I did have Spanish until the fourth grade when the state
> abolished it. It can be said though that I never learned much from
> these classes. All I can remember from these early classes is
> skpping in a circle and flapping our arms like chickens, so perhaps
> it is a good thing they were outed. (Or perhaps not, since, flashing
> forward to High School and my latin class I can clearly recall
> dancing in conga lines to new vocabulary words, in fact that was last
> only two weeks ago.)
Unfortunately in the US, someone, at some point in the development of our
schools' curriculum, decided that languages should be taught in the latter
grades. I didn't receive a language until High School - age 15. I know Oui
and that's about it. Spanish in college produced similar results, si? If
you look at the research, I believe that it's sometime after the age of 11 or
12, (around puberty) that humans loose the ability to learn language easy -
it's a brain thing. Something about the pathways becoming so set for
English, we loose the others that would have helped learn other languages.
We don't use them, we loose them. If you look at the research, children that
are taught (properly) at a very young age do not struggle at all. They
develop perfect accents and are able to switch between languages without even
thinking about it.

> There we played Mythology Charades and Ink Pinks-
>
> A Happy Wizard?
>
> Merry Harry, of course!!!!
>
> Ink Pinks! Thanks! So weird that you mention them. Just the other day I
> was trying to remember what they were. I have a very vague memory of them
> from grade school. I think we may have called them Hink Pinks.) Thanks!
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2000 10:19 am
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Chapter 23: The Yule Ball
>"Question: While being served at Top Table, Hermione isn't thinking about
>SPEW. Do we reconsider our opinion of her and her commitment because of
>this?"
>How do we know she doesn't think of the house elves - she has long since
given
>up not eating as a protest (or are you joking and I'm taking it all FAR too
>seriously?) Hermione must keep the faith!

Actually, I always thought that Hermione's ulterior motive for going to the
ball with Krum was to butter him up to be a SPEW supporter (and to make Ron
jealous of course); after all, if Viktor Krum were behind, who would laugh at
SPEW anymore?
Kathy
> Is it a coincidence that the names Schafer, Stouffer, and Skeeter all
> start with the letter "S"? Hmmmmmm...
>
You forgot Slytherin.
-Mo
From: morine10@a...
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Christmas traditions elsewhere (OT)
> seriously though, what if Wal-Mart started selling exploding bon-bons
> tomorrow? i'm sure rosie o' donnell would have a seecial expose about the
> dangers to children (i assume, of course, that these things are safe since
> they are so popular in other countries. that ever stopped american hysteria
> before though), and congressmen would demand hearings on the issue, and we'd
> have a whole new mess to suffer through on the cable news channels.
>
> sometimes i hate being an american. there's no fun in it.
>
> wren
>
Isn't it the truth? Seriously, don't they sell cap guns anymore? Anyone
remember those? You loaded them with little strips of paper that had tiny
dots of powder on them. When you shot them the mad a "bang". That's all
that's in those crackers. You couldn't shoot your eye out if you tried.
-Mo
An American, who knows what crackers are because her mother used to order
them out of a catalog when we were kids.
"I want an official Red Rider carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle."
-Ralphie, A Christmas Story

From: morine10@a...
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Cap guns, OT
> The form was a rocket like shape, with a rounded tip that made the contact
> with the ground when you dropped it, and it had 4-tail-wings (like an old
> caddy, lol) on the other end. Very basic, but I loved it. A spring kept a
> small weight on ribbon on the contact end, which you had to use your finger
> to move back to slip the paper up one slot.
>
I had the exact same thing! ::Sigh:: Gunpowder - it used to provide hours
upon hours of enjoyment!
-Mo
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:28 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Truths in the Wizarding World
How about:
YOU CANNOT APPARATE INTO OR OUT OF HOGWARTS!
(Although I have a feeling this one will turn out to be false,just because
we've heard it so often.)
Kathy
(dipping back in from lurkdom now that finals are over)
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:16 am
Subject: Delurking in defense of Ron
AIGHGHHGH!
I have been receiving HP for Grownups in digest form for weeks now (I
posted a bit in the beginning) but have to come out of lurkdom to
defend Ron, I just have to.
I think Ron is a wonderful character in that he is very *normal.*
People talk about getting funny feelings about Ron, that there is
something unsettling about him - perhaps there is something unsettling
about every 14 year old boy? To me, there is something much more
freaky about Harry. I mean, he's so polite and nice but he's been
brought up in such an awful home and his worst trait seems to be a
slight disregard for rules and a tendency to sulk a bit.
People who don't like Ron seem to think that he complains about things
that he shouldn't complain about (like his wonderful family, for
example), but I find those complaints make him more human. I have a
wonderful family life and at 14 I really wished I didn't so that I
could fit in better with my punk rock friends.
Another writer described Ron as "pale" and "relatively nondescript" I
am gripping my computer tightly and gasping. Are we reading the same
books? I wonder if myself and a friend of mine who have been writing
Ron/Hermione fanfics have just projected a bunch of characteristics
onto him that don't really have any basis in the books. Who is Ron
really, as JK Rowling writes him? True, we can't know his inner
thoughts, because the stories are not from his POV, but he is a very
vocal character. I think there is little doubt as to how Ron is
feeling most of the time. I'm sure you guys have been through these
points before, but, I mean, look at the way he sacrificed himself on
the chess board, look at how he went down into the Chamber of Secrets
to find his sister, look at how he stood up to Harry in front of
Sirius Black. True, GoF dealt with situations in which Ron could not
really play a heroic part, but if he had been able to help, he would
have. And he will. I am sure of it. And if he betrays Harry in any
way, well, then, my heart will be broken, and I will just have to
write my own Harry Potter books and forget about JK Rowling. So There.
Also, re: a few of the other threads, (as I said before, I am a big
Ron/Hermione shipper) wasn't it Anne Shirley herself who said
something to the effect that she wanted the man she fell in love with
to be a little bit wicked. Truth be told, if you look at all the Anne
books, Gilbert is a bit boring by the end there (don't get me wrong,
he's still great, and has his moments, but he is very sort of, well,
just there, being honorable and good, isn't he?) To me, Ron is lovely
and wicked. Harry isn't perfect, but he's likely to suffer from all
sorts of depression and intimacy issues as he grows up due to his
upbringing.
Oh! And I was a big fan of Edmund in Lion, the Witch, and the
Wardrobe. Maybe there's something wrong with me but I couldn't help
it. He was so misunderstood - but he came around didn't he - he got
to be a king with his siblings. And actually, it is Susan who turns
out to be the black sheep if you get to the end of the series. I
never did like her.
Re: the kiss - I don't think it meant anything. If ANYTHING, it
proves that Hermione likes Ron (hehe) - if you like someone you are
probably completely afraid to have any physical contact with them at
all, whereas if you just consider someone a friend, a little peck on
the cheek is a nice gesture of friendship. Poor girl probably
trembles with emotion every time Ron is near - he's so tall and
red-headed.
Okay, well, I hope nobody's upset (and I hope you recognize that I'm
being good-natured - it's hard to come across in email)- I just felt I
had to speak up in defense of Ron. Poor guy! My friend and I are
actually working on a project now, which we plan to "debut" after New
Year's which is a website devoted to fanfiction writing and our dear
friend Ron. I will post an official announcement when it is all done.
Happy Holidays everyone!
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:46 pm
Subject: OT Re: Anne books. was: Delurking in defense of Ron
> >I am shocked and practically speechless!!! Gilbert was NOT engaged
to
> >Christine, and he definitely did NOT flirt with her. In both cases
it
> >was only apprehensions Anne had, which were proven wrong!!
>
> Gilbert WAS engaged to Christine...but called it off...I think you
are
> mixing Christine up with Josie Pie...
> __________________________________________

You are mistaking the books with the television
series I think. In the television series,
Gilbert was engaged to Christine. The Sullivan
Production took a lot of liberties. In the
books, Gilbert was true to Anne throughout. He
hung around with Christine at college after
Anne refused his first proposal, but they were just friends.
Christine was actually engaged to someone else. Anne was running
around with Roy Gardner, who never made an appearance in the TV
version.

From: zsenya@y...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:47 pm
Subject: The Kiss - a mistake?
Perhaps JK Rowling meant to write that Hermione kissed Ron instead -
it may show up in corrected 314th printings of Goblet of Fire...

From: zsenya@y...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: Support for He/R
> A tidbit of support for He/R shippers:
>
> When asked "was something going on between Ron and Hermione during
the last
> half of Goblet of Fire?" in the Yahoo/Barnes&Noble chat, she
responded "Yes,
> something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical
boy.", which
> suggests Hermione might have feelings for Ron, even though he's
being a bit
> ... blunt.
>
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I will have that to hold on to as I
wait for Book V.
:)

From: morine10@a...
Date: Wed Dec 20, 2000 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Delurking in defense of Ron
THANK YOU! I was begining to think that I was the only person here that
loves Ron and I truly thought I was the only R/H shipper. Here's my two
knuts....
In a message dated 12/20/00 6:17:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
zsenya@y... writes:
> I think Ron is a wonderful character in that he is very *normal.*
> People talk about getting funny feelings about Ron, that there is
> something unsettling about him -
I have NEVER had an unsettling thought about Ron. He would be the first one
to stand up to defend his friends (as he has done already) and also the last
standing. He's stubborn and loyal. A great combination in a friend IMHO.
Especially when your battling evil.
> but I find those complaints make him more human. I have a
> wonderful family life and at 14 I really wished I didn't so that I
> could fit in better with my punk rock friends.
The grass is always greener....especially when your an adolescent. (An
adolescent who has to wear raggedy clothes that are too small and <gags>
maroon!) I wished my family was like my other friends' because they could
stay out as late as they wanted or they didn't have 3 younger sisters. No 14
year old knows how good they have it and materials things are A HUGE part of
a teenager's life. Most adults I know put way too much value on material
possessions and they have had a lot more time to figure things out than young
Ron. He is definitely starting to learn that there are things (like
friendship) that are worth more than galleons.
> look at the way he sacrificed himself on the chess board, look at how he
> went down into the Chamber of Secrets to find his sister, look at how he
> stood up to Harry in front of Sirius Black. True, GoF dealt with situations
> in which Ron could not really play a heroic part, but if he had been able
> to help, he would have. And he will. I am sure of it. And if he betrays
> Harry in any way, well, then, my heart will be broken, and I will just have
> to write my own Harry Potter books and forget about JK Rowling. So There.
Absolutely he would have! Ron is a true and loyal friend. Harry has never
had one of those before. Come to think of it, Harry hasn't had ANY friends
before. You already listed the instances but it comes down to this - without
Ron (Hermione too, but this is about Ron), Harry would not have been able to
save the world from Voldemort so many times.
And if you have to start writing your own books-which you won't because JKR
wouldn't dare- I'll be there reading them.
> Oh! And I was a big fan of Edmund in Lion, the Witch, and the
> Wardrobe.
Me too!
Re: the kiss - I don't think it meant anything. If ANYTHING, it
> proves that Hermione likes Ron (hehe) - if you like someone you are
> probably completely afraid to have any physical contact with them at
> all, whereas if you just consider someone a friend, a little peck on
> the cheek is a nice gesture of friendship. Poor girl probably
> trembles with emotion every time Ron is near - he's so tall and
> red-headed.
Again I concur. It meant, "I am soo glad my friend is alive!" I also said
before that I think that Hermione is getting a bit 'moody' in her
adolescence. Hormonal surges and high emotions can cause you to do things.
You know, I would have never kissed the boy I really liked either - great
point!
> I just felt I had to speak up in defense of Ron. Poor guy! My friend
and I are
> actually working on a project now, which we plan to "debut" after New
> Year's which is a website devoted to fanfiction writing and our dear
> friend Ron. I will post an official announcement when it is all done.
>
Thank you for expressing my feelings for me. I am so glad I'm not alone. : )
I'm looking forward to your website and fanfics.
An avid Ron-supporter,
-Mo
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 11:28 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: The Kiss
>Then again ... it's been a long time since I was 14, so maybe I'm just
>not remembering it all that well. I wouldn't have thought twice about
>kissing my guy buddies on the cheek at age 17 or 21 ... but 14? I don't
>think so.
>
>Penny
Yeah, but how many of your guy friends just faced the most evil wizard ever
and watched him murder a fellow student?
Kathy
(who still ain't convinced of H/H, sorry)

From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 11:35 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: The Kiss
>JKR gives us the kiss, but she also
>takes great pains to detail the period of time when Harry and
>Hermione were spending a lot of time together, the tabloid write-ups,
>etc. I wonder if there's any reason for this beyond GoF.
>
>We can't just ignore the fact that Harry at least seems to not even
>consider the possibility of anything other than friendship with
>Hermione all throughout GoF. A friend is one thing, but if she
>starts to head to the "sister" category we can hang it up.
>
>No, I'm not shooting myself or my fellow H/H shippers (who have
>*extraordinarily* good taste, might I add) in the foot. I just like
>to argue both sides of the debate... pick up the R/H ball and run
>with it... it's fun to see how right we are anyway. (laughing again)
>
>--Ebony


Thought of something else...
Yet another reason why I don't believe H/H is plausible: How come Ron did not
get jealous of all the tabloid articles pairing up Harry and Hermione? Yes,
there was the "scarlet woman" remark and all that, but it seemed to me he was
pretty jealous of Viktor and didn't even seem bothered by the Harry-thing.
And he was pretty jealous,too..I think if there were some underlying tension
between Harry and Hermione, we would have seen Ron reacting to it.
Have you noticed I always emerge from lurkdom when this topic comes up? You
know, back when I first joined this list, I didn't care one way or the other,
but somewhere along the line I became a devout R/H shipper. Ah well...
Kathy
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2000 11:43 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Delurking in defense of Ron
Well said!
Are your R/H fics on fanfiction.net? Titles, please?
Kathy
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:24 am
Subject: Re: Delurking in defense of Ron
> Well said!
>
> Are your R/H fics on fanfiction.net? Titles, please?
>
> Kathy
Well, if you are interested...I have posted one just about Harry
called "A Sirius Visit" The R/H one I am writing is "A Muggle Summer"
There are 12 chapters posted so far (20 in all)
My friend Arabella has written several - Awakenings is quite a good
one.
The website that we are going to announce officially right after New
Years is dedicated to fan fiction and our own "interpretations" of the
stories, so hopefully there will be lots more R/Hr stuff out there in
one place!
:)Zsenya
From: morine10@a...
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: The Kiss
In a message dated 12/21/00 7:16:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pennylin... writes:
> Yep. Hmm .... Ron was interested in Hermione in GoF. Are you
> concurring that Hermione is Ron's Ms. Wrong based on JKR's statements
> then? <vbg>
>
No, Ron was interested in Fleur. Although he has them, he has not yet
acknowledged any feelings for Hermione.
-Mo
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:40 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Marty's Devil's Advocate Post

Penny wrote:
>I think she dated Krum because he paid romantic attention to her. She
>had gotten to know him in the library after all, and discovered that he
>didn't enjoy having the gaggle of girls fawning all over him. She got
>to know him as a person and liked what she saw well enough to accept a
>date with him. I don't think she did it to goad either boy into
>anything. I think she just wanted to be noticed as a girl, and Krum
>noticed her in that way. And, she got to go to the Yule Ball. Pretty
>evident that neither Ron nor Harry would have thought to ask her, except
>as a last resort. So, she was probably smart to go with Krum. It was
>her first real date, and she must have enjoyed the whole ritual of
>getting all dressed up as she took 3 hrs to do so! <g>
>
Well I know Penny will never agree with this, but I am fully convinced that
Hermione was half-hoping that Ron would ask her (maybe even kind of assuming
he would). In my universe, Krum asked her very early on and she told him she
would have to think about it (still hoping that Ron would ask her) and then
when Ron made that remark about "getting stuck with a pair of trolls", her
reaction was feminist indignation combined with anger and disappointment at
the realization that Ron wasn't even thinking about asking her. Then she said
yes to Viktor. (Hey, if the H/H people can make stuff up, why can't I?)

Kathy

From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:42 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Delurking in defense of Ron
Hey! I have been closely following "A Muggle Summer"! It's very good. (All
you R/H people here--all 3 of you--head over to ff.net and find it.) I
especially liked the "Food fight" section--very cute!
Kathy
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:43 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Marty's Devil's Advocate Post
>
>*** How did Ron feel when he & Hermione went to Dumbledore's office &
>Ron learned that Hermione was Krum's treasure?? <g>
>
>Penny
>
Now THAT is a fanfic waiting to happen!
Kathy
(Help! I'm posting and I can't shut up!)
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:56 am
Subject: R/H,H/H and a couple of observations
I have noticed something very interesting in all of these shipper
posts. Many people admit to either having been R/H or being R/H for
the canon, but that after reading POU, switched to H/H. So, you're
basing your preference on a fan fiction to begin with! I think PoU is
wonderful, and I love the way that Harry is portrayed (very sexy!).
As a R/H shipper, though, when I read it, I had a mindset of "Well,
it's a nice story, but its only happening because Ron is dead and that
won't happen" because I am convinced by JKR that Ron is a good guy and
not a traitor.
Also, I realize that in real life, people rarely end up with their
school sweethearts, but I get the impression that at Hogwarts it is
more common - maybe because the wizarding community is relatively
close-knit.
Another thought was - Harry really needs some sort of family and I
think that the Weasley's provide that for him. Being with Hermione
does not give him a family life like the Weasleys, and actually makes
it awkward for him to remain part of their life. Ron with Hermione
and Harry with Ginny makes me happy,and gives free reign to Harry to
be part of a warm and loving family.
Of course, 90% of what I think about Ginny comes from fan fiction as
well, but I really think that JKR will develop her character further.
Also, doesn't anyone realize that Ginny is the only one, besides
Harry, to have been face to face with Voldemort? That's gotta mean
something.

From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 2:42 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Marty's Devil's Advocate Post
>Hi --
>
>Kathleen Kelly MacMillan wrote:
>
>> Hey, if the H/H people can make stuff up, why can't I?)
>
>Can I ask what you think we (the H/H people) have made up? I know I've
>jokingly used Rita's "in my universe" phrase, but I've always made it
>abundantly clear that it was something that was pure speculation & a
>joke in some instances. My H/H theories are in general at least what a
>lawyer would call "can be argued with a straight face" (i.e., not "made
>up").
>
>Penny

Actually I was referring to the various interpretations given to things in the
books,like "The Kiss". Perhaps "make stuff up" is not what I really meant--I
just meant that I think that my chosen interpretation has as much validity as
yours. I mean, none of us know what's going to happen--we all see the world
through ship-colored glasses.
Kathy

From: zsenya@y...
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:55 pm
Subject: ooops!
Sorry all - I did *not* mean to imply that Ron is bad or a traitor in
PoU - that sentence was just tacked on the end in my usual "defend Ron
with all my heart!" mode.
Actually, even though he is dead, I really like the role that Ron is
given in PoU and I was very happy that he and Hermione shared a very
special moment before his death. It was just what I needed to keep
going! I also liked that Hermione and Harry had such a hard time
getting together *because* of Ron and their respect for his memory.
From: morine10@a...
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:20 am
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] R/H vs.H/H-Theory (wasFanfic Ships)
In a message dated 12/23/00 12:14:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pennylin... writes:

> I still agree with you in that my general observation is that older HP fans
> tend to favor H/H more often than R/H.
>
Interesting. Until I joined this group I always believed the younger fans
leaned toward an H/H romance. Was I ever wrong! This belief was based on
other message boards and the lack of evidence presented by these young H/H
shippers. I always thought that they weren't seeing JKR's true intentions as
an adult would and that in their naivety, these youths were making the
obvious mistake of pairing Harry - the title character with Hermione - the
one strong female presented so far. IMO they were doing so without regard to
any of the clues left by the author. From my view, they weren't picking up
the feelings JKR was conveying. Obviously I was wrong in assuming anything.
While I am not (and doubt I will ever be) convinced, the pro H/H arguments
fascinate me. Personally, I felt from the time I read SS/PS that JKR would
develop a romance between the Ron and Hermione. With each subsequent book
and with each rereading I have only become more convinced that is the course
she will take. Also, until I joined this group (which is the same time I
began reading fanfic - starting with PoU) I wasn't any sort of shipper. That
is not to say that I didn't like the idea of an R/H pairing, but only that
the possibility of an H/H pairing never, ever occurred to me. I love the H/H
arguments you've all presented, but I really have to go with my gut on this
one. When I read the books I don't feel H/H whereas R/H I *feel*.
As for my theory....
I could be totally off-base but from what I've observed since joining this
group it seems those that are H/H-ers are much more vocal (about everything,
not just their ship preference). This to me is a Hermione trait. She
participates at every opportunity and she always has an answer or comment.
Whereas, the R/H-ers seem to remain quiet until something really strikes them
(and then you can't get them to shut up <g>). This is more Ron's style.
I feel that I relate more to the character of Ron than Hermione. While I do
love her, aside from doing well in school I am nothing like Hermione. I have
much more in common with the wisecracking, laid-back, slightly insecure,
adorable <vbg>, Ron.
Do the other (what are we up to, three or four?) R/H-ers feel they relate
more to Ron? Do the H/H-ers relate to Hermione?
Just wondering,
-Mo
From: morine10@a...
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 10:25 am
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: R/H vs.H/H-Theory (wasFanfic Ships)
In a message dated 12/24/00 9:55:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jferer... writes:

> Where do us relatively rare Harry/Ginny shippers fit into your theory
> structure?
>
Good question - I don't know. I will say that I am also an H/G-er. Anyway
my theory is most likely bunk. But hey, I tried. That's what happens when
you stay up all night reading 200+ emails.

From: morine10@a...
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 10:31 am
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: DADA (possibilities)
In a message dated 12/24/00 9:44:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jferer@y... writes:

> (e) Severus Snape will finally get the job, after revealing that
> he is a woman trapped in a man's body and asks the students to call
> him 'Selinda' as he makes the transition. He turns out to have great
> legs.
>
> I second the LOL!! Too bad the late Ed Wood ("Glen or Glennda?") isn't
> still around to make THAT movie. Maybe John Waters?
>
Definitely, it's right up John Waters' alley. : ) Snape would have to move
to Baltimore though. LOL John would have to play Snape too.....I would
absolutely see that movie!
> You may be right Snape doesn't really want the DADA job. Dumbledore
> certainly won't give it to him; it would be like giving a recovering
> alcoholic the keys to the liquor cabinet.
>
I am right <g>, Snape doesn't want it. But you are right, Dumbledore
probably wouldn't give it to him if he did but not because he's a recovering
Death Eater. It would be because the parents would have a fit.
-Mo
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 11:19 am
Subject: Re: R/H vs.H/H-Theory (wasFanfic Ships)

I suppose I will delurk any time Ron's name comes up in
conversation...
> When I read the books I don't feel H/H whereas R/H I *feel*.
Me too!

> As for my theory....
> I could be totally off-base but from what I've observed since
joining this
> group it seems those that are H/H-ers are much more vocal (about
everything,
> not just their ship preference). This to me is a Hermione trait.
She
> participates at every opportunity and she always has an answer or
comment.
> Whereas, the R/H-ers seem to remain quiet until something really
strikes them
> (and then you can't get them to shut up <g>). This is more Ron's
style.
I guess that is why I have to delurk every time Ron's name is taken in
vain!
> I feel that I relate more to the character of Ron than Hermione.
While I do
> love her, aside from doing well in school I am nothing like
Hermione. I have
> much more in common with the wisecracking, laid-back, slightly
insecure,
> adorable <vbg>, Ron.
>
> Do the other (what are we up to, three or four?) R/H-ers feel they
relate
> more to Ron? Do the H/H-ers relate to Hermione?
>
> Just wondering,
> -Mo
>
Mo - I certainly relate to Hermione a bit - I was very smart as a girl
and loved to read. However, I do feel that I am actually more like
Ron, so maybe your theory is correct. I didn't have the utmost
respect for teachers in school the way that Hermione does. I was
very laid back and a bit insecure. I wasn't a blatant rule breaker,
but I didn't mind doing it either. Also, I always seemed to have
friends who were either more well known, more popular, more successful
with the boys, etc. I was the sidekick - not as glamorous, or as
troubled, or as punk rock, or as pretty as most of my friends. As a
matter of fact, if I run into people from high school now, eventually
they will ask, "how is so and so" because they always seem to
associate me with someone else. Sometimes I would get jealous, as Ron
does, but I suppose that one of the reasons that I am so convinced
that Ron will be a true friend is that those disagreements and spats
never lasted very long and I still have those friends, 10 years after
high school. I have never felt jealousy so strongly as I did in high
school, but now that I am grown up, I can look back on it with a bit
of humor (and maybe smugness that in the long run I am glad that I
didn't have the things that I was jealous for most of the time).
:)Zsenya

From: morine10@a...
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: R/H vs.H/H-Theory (wasFanfic Ships)

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> When I read the books I don't feel H/H whereas R/H I *feel*.
Me too!
Zsenya, I'm so glad someone agrees with me on this point. There has been a
lot of talk of who are the *logical* matches. Why does love have to be
logical? And Hermione and Ron closely parallel Molly and Arthur and the love
there is unquestionable. There is in my mind, chemistry between Ron and
Hermione.
> Mo - I certainly relate to Hermione a bit - I was very smart as a girl
> and loved to read.
I am always reading and always did (do) very well in school. However, I am
not one to do a bit of *background* reading for school the way Hermione does.
I'm not one for boring textbooks and as a matter of fact, I don't think I've
done anything more than skim over the important parts since my elementary
days. I will always put aside the work for a bit of pleasure reading. Last
year I left several papers for my graduate classes to the last minute because
I had just discovered HP and HAD to read each of the first 3 books
immediately. Did I mention I recieved an Order of the Procrastinator, first
class?

> I was very laid back and a bit insecure. I wasn't a blatant rule breaker,
> but I didn't mind doing it either.
I am still laid back - way laid back according to those that know me best.
I think that most people are insecure during their teenage years. All three
of them (H/H/R) are very insecure in very different, but not so different
ways. As for breaking the rules? Me? LOL. Never the insigator, laid-back
Mo had friends that made the plans, they just told her when to show up -still
do!
> Sometimes I would get jealous, as Ron does, but I suppose that one of the
> reasons that I am so convinced that Ron will be a true friend is that those
> disagreements and spats never lasted very long and I still have those
> friends, 10 years after high school.
Athough I don't think I was ever so jealous as Ron, I'm know I had some pangs
back in my school days. I see, no I know Ron's going to outgrow this. He
just has to find his place. I still have my close friends from school after
(I'm gonna one-up ya) 11 years. The biggest fight I had with any of them was
in college when I lived with some of my girlfriends. We got over it. I think
when you live with someone and see them all the time, lets face it they can
annoy you and tempers can flare. And sometimes you need some space.
Fighting accomplishes that because it gives you an excuse not to talk to that
person. Ron and Harry live, eat, take classes together and sleep in the same
room. When are they ever apart except during Quidditch practice? They
needed some time apart IMO. Husbands and wives don't spend that much time
together!
-Mo
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2000 4:48 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] R/H vs.H/H-Theory (wasFanfic Ships)

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>Do the other (what are we up to, three or four?) R/H-ers feel they relate
>more to Ron? Do the H/H-ers relate to Hermione?
>
>Just wondering,
>-Mo

Interesting theory...although I do relate a lot to Hermione (after I forced my
parents to read the books, they both started calling me "Hermione" because I
was so much like her as a kid), but I think I also relate to Ron. (Also, Ron
reminds me A LOT of my husband, and he and I fight a lot the way Ron and
Hermione do, but we also love each other very much.) Personally, I think my
preference stems from the fact that "Much Ado About Nothing" has always been
my favorite Shakespearean play, and I always loved Beatrice and Benedick. I
just find that kind of relationship more interesting.
Loved the part about how we R/H sit back until something riles us and then we
don't shut up! I guess I can't deny that that's me!
Kathy
I forgot to add...the first man who ever broke my heart had untidy black hair
and startlingly green eyes (no glasses though)...which is probably the REAL
root of my R/H shipperdom!
Kathy
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2000 11:53 am
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Every Flavor Beans
>Hello, i hope everyone is having happy holidays and is keeping up with HP
>news.... Has anyone tried the Everyflavor Betts Beans?
Yeah, Santa was good to me. But I got a horseradish flavored one this morning
("hmm, maybe I'll try this nice coconut...")
Kathy
From: morine10@a...
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2000 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Stephen's version

In a message dated 12/26/00 4:04:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
harry_potter00@y... writes:

> Well my computer decided to disconnect at my favourite part. (When
> Hermione kill the Devil's snare..."THERE'S NO WOOD!") Argh!
>
That's awful! For once I had no connection problems today!
> Anyway I really enjoyed it, as much as, if not more than the Jim
> Dale's recording.
>
I still haven't heard Dale's. I am treating myself to an early birthday
present tomorrow and they will probably be it.
> And now Desert Island Discs is on...YEAH
> If only I could finally take off my pyjamas and do something!!!
>
Glad to see I'm not the only one still not dressed today!
-Mo

From: morine10@a...
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2000 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Shippers, Happy Endings & Related Topics

In a message dated 12/26/00 7:22:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pennylin@s... writes:

> I maintain that we cannot assume that a "childrens'" series will end
> happily ever after. I think JKR is writing fantasy but not fairy tales.
>
I absolutely agree with you on this. Although I've grown to love most of the
characters, I really doubt that when (or if) they survive the series it will
be without their own set of 'scars'.
-Mo
Who just swept the Harry Potter category on tonight's jeopardy preteen
tournament and whose husband laughed hysterically as she jumped up and down
in front of the TV shouting out the answers....
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2000 10:58 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Every Flavor Beans
>sardine, if you know what I mean. Haven't had a booger one yet,
>either. Not sure I'll dare. I actually liked the grass one.
>
>Steve Vander Ark
I actually had a booger-flavored one about an hour ago and it wasn't terrible
(kinda flavorless actually). I liked the grass flavored one too! (And I was
just thinking what a freak that would probably make me when I read your
message Steve!).
Kathy
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2000 11:09 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Merchandise for Christmas...
Ooooooooo, but I had a very Harry Christmas! Aside from the Bertie Botts
Every Flavor Beans in my stocking, I got:
the stationary set
the "Hermione the Bookworm" secret box
the metal Hogwarts bookmark
the Hogwarts sippy-cup thing
the wall calendar
the day-to-day calendar
the picture frame with the Trio on broomsticks
the Sorting Hat bookends
AND...courtesy of my husband, the most adorable, wonderful man to walk the
face of the earth, my very own personal copies of ALL 4 Books on CD (the Jim
Dale versions). (Now I can stop hogging the library's copies!)
Though I was hoping to get the trivia game (not to sound like Dudley or
anything). Hmm, well I do have a birthday coming up.....

Kathy

From: morine10@a...
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Pardon me while I throw a childish fit...

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If there's any group of people who might understand, it's this one.
Here goes:
I want a wand
I want to know what Butter Beer tastes like
I want to fly on a broom, learn to apparate,
and pet a baby unicorn
I want a house elf (paid, of course, if they will accept it.)
I want to shop in Diagon Alley
I want to travel by Floo Powder
I want a Cauldron Cake and some Pumpkin Juice
I want all the photos in my albums to move
I want to be an animagus (a dove, I think)
I want a letter delivered by owl
I want to see a real phoenix
I want to slip a canary cream to an idiot boss

I wanna easter egg, from Mrs. Weasley.
-Mo
From: morine10@a...
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2000 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Astronomy + ideas for classes

Well, obviously all Sex Ed. courses are not created equal. Maybe it has to do
with the fact that I went to school in Orange County, CA.

Well that's just our school. Trying to keep those teen pregnancies down!
When I was that age they shepherded the girls off one day and the boys
another each to see "the movie." Personally I got all my info from ABC's
After School Specials and Judy Blume books. High school health was better
but by then you'd learned it all (or at least thought you had).
I would think that Poppy Pomfrey (when she and Dumbledore aren't snuggling -
thought I'd throw in my two knuts on that subject <g> ) gives a sex ed. class
to all students. Not an everyday class but maybe one or two a term. I bet
the Weasley twins are her favorite students ::giggles::
-Mo
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 10:09 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: H/H shippers clues

>I've been trying all vacation to comb the books and find evidence of
>Hermione's reciprocation of Ron's interest... I needed an "I knew I
>liked you, Ron, when..." scenario. I'm finding I'm making up stuff.

Okay, I don't understand how people can say that there is no evidence that
Hermione likes Ron back. What about the several times in GoF when Hermione
gets all annoyed at the attention Ron is paying to Fleur? I know I know,
we've been through this before, I know the time after the 2nd task could be
interpreted as H/H or H/R because Fleur kisses both Harry and Ron, but, I will
say it again: When they are leaving Hogwarts at the end of GoF, Fleur "smiled
at [Ron]; Hermione scowled" (GoF, UK ediiton, p.628). That's a SEMICOLON
people; these things are related. And I still maintain that the kiss two
pages later is a)Hermione being supportive of one of her best friends who has
been through hell and b) a subtle attempt at getting back at Ron for the
incident with Fleur. Although seriously I think putting any romantic spin on
"the kiss" takes away from the story at this point. To me, the ending scene
was a beautiful reiteration of the closeness of the 3 friends and how Harry
can make it because of his friends support. That, more than my H/R leaning,
is the reason why the big hooha about the kiss bugs me. It's like it cheapens
the whole thing somehow. (And, as B. Bennett's "The Other Kiss" shows, we
certainly don't know what happened after Harry went through that barrier, do
we?).

Anyway, rant over
(for now)
Kathy
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Sat Dec 30, 2000 10:46 pm
Subject: Fanfic set in books

Well, I am just talkative tonight I guess, but I have a question for all the
fanfic experts here:
I have noticed a small but growing number of fanfics that take place during
the times of the books and show what might have been happening "offstage". Is
there a term for these kind of fics?
As an R/H shipper (but mostly as someone who just likes both Ron and Hermione
better than Harry), I really enjoy these, because they often feature Ron
and/or Hermione, and because I also like to speculate about what's going on
offstage. When I started writing this, I was all ready to reel off a list of
some that I had read, but of course now I am blanking! I guess "The Other
Kiss" counts, even though it's technically right after GoF, and the only other
one that comes to mind right away is "Masquerade", which despite being H/H is
very good. (; Can anyone recommend any other good fanfics that fall into this
category? (Or give me a name for them?)
Kathy
P.S. OK, one more thing and then I'll shut up. I had forgotten how many
favorite lines I had from the first book. Today I came across a random
favorite: George on Weasley sweaters: "Come on, get it on, they're lovely
and warm." Actually I guess it's not all that funny, maybe it's just Jim
Dale's reading of that line that cracks me up. He completely captures George
Weasley in that line.
From: zsenya@y...
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 12:02 am
Subject: Little announcement

Er, I hope this is okay to post, but I wanted to make a little
announcement about a website that I have been working on with my
friend Arabella. Perhaps I should add a warning - it is devoted to
R/H-dom, so all three or four of you will be very interested...Here is
the official wording, as posted on fanfiction.net
Fanfic has become such fun for me that I've decided to branch out.
Arabella (another author here - go HQoW!) and I have decided to become
the Headmistresses of our own HP website! We now invite you to visit
http://www.sugarquill.com, a site for fanfiction writers and
like-minded Potterites, where you are welcome to submit your stories
for beta-reading, and also to post your opinions for discussion on
our boards!
[Note for HP for Grownups - the main motivation for this site, we have
to admit, is to have a shrine to Ron/Hermione, Harry/Ginny fan
fiction, as well as drooling over Sirius and Lupin - we just wanted to
gather what we could find that supported our theories in one place.
It's been a great deal of fun to work on and we are really enjoying
it]
Please be advised: The Sugar Quill DOES NOT OFFICIALLY OPEN UNTIL
JANUARY THE 5th, 2001. It's still a bit rough! Arabella and I (and the
other dear Professors at Sugar Quill) are currently on our merry
holidays and will be quite unable to fulfill our headmistressly duties
until that time In the meantime, please come and browse and submit
stories to us and join in the fray of discussion - just don't expect
responses to your stories until AFTER JANUARY THE 5th! Thanks again,
and see you at The Sugar Quill!
~Zsenya
From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 1:09 am
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: Fanfic set in books
>Check out "Fallen Grace"... she's young but a good writer. She's
>also R/H. So is Zsenya... she's a member of this list. During this
>vacation I've read and reviewed all of her fics. I love what she's
>done with Ron. The fic occurs during the summer after GoF when Ron
>goes to visit Hermione. Mature, interesting writing... cute
>storyline... that should keep you busy for a while.
Hmm, I'll have to check out "Fallen Grace". I did actually read "A Muggle
Summer" and enjoyd it immensely.
>(Speaking of which,
>Kathy, I was surprised to find that you're strongly R/H... I'll
>always be grateful to you for posting about "Yours and Yours and
>Yours" by wotan to the PoU list.)
>
>--Ebony
Well, just because I think is H/H is inherently *wrong* (smirks in Penny's
direction) doesn't mean I can't appreciate it. Actually, back when I first
got into reading fanfic, I leaned H/H (of course, I don't think there WAS much
R/H fic around then either). I think it was "The Best Man" series that really
converted me, along with the realization that Ron and Hermione just belong
together. I think the main thing is that I just really *like* Ron, and most
H/H fics shunt him aside.
Ebony, you seem to have good taste (aside from the whole H/H thing, of course
(; )--I'll have to check out your favorites page.
Kathy

From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 12:34 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Re: H/H shippers clues

Penny wrote:
>I think Hermione sees her as some sort of affront to
>women, and it doesn't seem to me that this dislike of Fleur has much to
>do with the attention that Ron is paying to Fleur so much as it is just
>a general dislike of Fleur as a person. If Harry were fawning all over
>Fleur, Hermione would have been upset with him too (IMO).

Spoken like a a true H/H shipper. I still don't buy it though (I bet you're
not surprised!). Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that you can't
read all the H/H stuff into the books and then say there's "no" evidence that
Hermione could like Ron back. There's just as much evidence; you just have to
be willing to see it.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree!
Kathy

From: Kathleen Kelly MacMillan <kathleen@c...>
Date: Sun Dec 31, 2000 7:06 pm
Subject: RE: [HPforGrownups] Let's be fair! (was the H/H kiss and other stuff . ..)

>What I should have said is there is no *irrefutable* evidence that
>Hermione likes Ron back. It is, in my mind, irrefutable that Ron likes
>Hermione. It is likewise irrefutable that Harry has not expressed any
>romantic interest in Hermione. What is open to debate on all sides are
>Hermione's feelings. I think the arguments that she likes Ron are
>arguable, subject to more than one interpretation. Just like the "kiss"
>(and the other H/H evidence) is subject to more than one
>interpretation. I've merely been arguing my case more strongly. I
>*could* argue R/H if I chose to. I just think H/H is stronger -- that's
>all. I think Hermione's feelings can't be ignored in the equation, and
>her feelings are not exactly crystal clear at this point.
>
>Penny

Wow, for once we actually agree, Penny! (:
That's exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it a whole lot more
eloquently. It's all subject to different interpretations, we just disagree
on which one is the more obvious interpretation.
Kathy


 

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